"Tripper" (tripe46)
08/16/2019 at 10:10 • Filed to: None
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"Tripper" (tripe46)
08/16/2019 at 10:10 • Filed to: None | 0
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These are the breaks?
My wife’s Forester has just hit the 36k mile mark. Out of warranty and we’ve used up the prepaid maintenance. I’m of the feeling that the car needs a brake refresh, and a feeling is really all I need for the vehicle that my wife and child spend the most time in.
Besides 36k is about right, right? My wife is a great driver, but uses the brakes as most people do. I on the other hand will do anything except crash to avoid using my brakes.
By a refresh I mean pads, rotors, and a flush. I’ve done brakes plenty of times before and !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . However, I have only ever used OEM equipment or it’s been an upgrade where everything gets replaced.
My friend suggested !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Anyone have any experience with the brand? Good or should I go OEM? If so, where do you Subaru heads go for oem parts? It’s so easy for the Germans.
Also, opinions on stainless steel lines. I know I’ll like them, but I’m worried that my wife will think they’re too touchy.
Happy Friday! I have had a real trash work week because people are just so fucking rude. Everything else is peachy so I’m not going to complain any further.
Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:14 |
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That’s about the mileage that I had to do rear brakes on my outback. I just went to NAPA and got their rotors and premium pads. I think the fluid flush is due at 60k. The rears are fun, they have a drum brake parking brake so getting the rotors back on can be challenging but not impossible.
MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:15 |
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Why do you feel you need to replace rotors and flush the system? At this point you only need to replace the pads at most. Stainless lines I also see as completely unnecessary. It’s a relatively new car with minim al miles, I don’t see the need to go changing or replacing anything yet.
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Tripper
> Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
08/16/2019 at 10:18 |
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Fuck drum brakes. I’m lucky to only have one car with them now that the R anger is gone but those I’ll let the mechanic do. If ever have to do any serious work to the rear end of the 02, I will be converting to discs.
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> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:18 |
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With that mileage, you still may be okay. Our Pacifica has over 45k on original brakes. But then again, I’d burn through pads on my truck in 20k miles, so it all depends on what’s left on the pad. And as for replacements, if you’ve been happy with the performance of the OEM stuff, then stick with that. Just find a vendor that sells the parts for a better price than the dealership. And rockauto might carry OEM stuff, but you may need to research to see who makes the parts. And there is likely a vendor that will sell them for a decent price. Similar to how the German cars have FCP euro and ECS tuning that will carry OEM parts. Or I use Jim Ellis Audi for my dealer only parts. Their prices are best around for OEM stuff. They may have a subie dealership too. As for braided lines, don’t bother at this point. You’re not tracking the car and the existing lines should be good till at least 100k, so I’d save the money.
CalzoneGolem
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:18 |
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In my experience pads can go way longer than 36k. and way less depending on how they are made and driven.
If you measure them you should be able to figure out if they’re in spec.
diplodicus forgot his password
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:19 |
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No experience with power stop but that same kit is 50$ cheaper on rockauto
Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:22 |
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Go to Rockauto, go to rotor/pad kits, scroll down to the “performance” section. $262 dollars gets you all four corners on brakes that will last much better than stock and give you more braking power.
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Tripper
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
08/16/2019 at 10:23 |
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I’ve never done pads without also doing rotors, mainly because that is what the manual said for both M3's. Also because I don’t like the idea of replacing one without the other. The fluid I figured I would flush as we’ve had it nearly 3 years and the brakes are soft which is why I’m considering the lines
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Tripper
> CalzoneGolem
08/16/2019 at 10:26 |
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I’m over 60k on the fronts for the M3! Still in the green when I had it inspected this year. On the S ubaru they feel softer than they used and the fronts were in the yellow I believe, the last time it was serviced.
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Tripper
> Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
08/16/2019 at 10:27 |
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Hey thanks! Brakes are pretty weak in this car.
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MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:30 |
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I’ve only ever replaced rotors when they were grooved or scrapped by going down to metal on metal with the brake pads. I’ve also never owned a performance car like the M3 either. Hell, my Matrix still has the original rotors at 170k miles and can still lock up the wheels and activate the ABS.
As long as you can lock up the wheels or get the ABS to activate you’re not going to improve you’re braking performance without also adding stickier tires. On most cars, the tires are your braking limiting factor.
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CalzoneGolem
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:31 |
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I’ve used powerstop a bunch with no problems. The ss lines won’t do anything for you unless you have a bad rubber line. By all means replace all the junk if it’ll make you feel better. Far be it from me to discourage wrenching. Your rotors probably have enough meat on them for another set of pads.
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Tripper
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
08/16/2019 at 10:41 |
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I haven’t had a chance to test a panic brake, I’m just noticing that it takes more pressure than it used to to get the same effect.
Maybe I’m just noticing it because I have a modern dd now with brakes that feel a lot better than the Forester’s.
I’m almost positive that it’s time for pads. The price of the “upgraded” kit to go all the way around with pads and rotors is less than the price of one front rotor for the M3. The “factory replacement” kit is under $200 to go all the way around.
Tires and wheels are on the short list too.
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Tripper
> CalzoneGolem
08/16/2019 at 10:43 |
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I doubt there is a bad line. I think I just don’t like the way it feels. I guess there isn’t a whole lot I can do about that without spending a lot of cash to put a really fancy brake kit on a base Forester haha.
Snuze: Needs another Swede
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:44 |
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For years m y dad has used PowerStop on his 1-ton work van(s). They were a tremendous upgrade on his older vans because GM thought single piston calipers and an 11" rotor were fine for the FRONT BRAKES on a vehicle with a 9,600 lb. GCVW. Riiiiiight... On the newer vans with better stock brakes they are still a nice little upgrade and they last a lot longer than OEM, so they get the nod from me.
I’d pull the wheels and check the pads. I got 127k miles out of the stock front brakes on the Cruze. I could have pushed it a bit more but I had it in the shop for something else and said just go ahead and do it. My rear drums are still going strong.
As for replacing those BMW rotors, BMW means Bring My Wallet, right? There’s no need unless they were carbon-ceramic or something. With normal peasant brakes, you can get by with A) doing nothing if they are still in really good shape or B) having them resurfaced (if there’s a shop near you that can do it ) . The only time you need to replace them is if they become damaged (crack, bad warp, etc. ) or are excessively thin. Or in my case I did because there was nobody in a reasonable distance that could do it, so it saved me time and money to replace them. But even at 127k they were actually still in decent shape.
Fluid flush at 36k miles is probably overkill. And s tainless brakelines are not necessary. I’ve never had stainless lines in a car, but I found on a motorcycle they were more about feel than performance.
nermal
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 10:58 |
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Just did all new brakes on my truck @ ~80k. What area do you live in?
I’m in the NE and all 4 calipers were dragging badly due to corrosion. 4 new calipers + new pads from RockAuto for ~$350 total. Plus I went through a few bottles of brake fluid swapping that out. Rotors were perfectly fine except for some surface rust, so kept them.
Stainless lines won’t make a major difference. Make sure you bed in the new pads - Take it out on an empty road, get it up to speed, and jam on the brakes to an almost complete stop. Then repeat that a few times . Just don’t jam on the brakes, then hold them for an extended period at a stop when they are new.
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Highlander-Datsuns are Forever
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 11:02 |
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The drum part is the parking brake, the main brake is still a disc brake. The good thing is that the parking brake shoes will probably last the life of the car.
ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 11:06 |
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I doubt you’ll regret the stainless steel lines. A little extra pedal feel is good for everyone.
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CalzoneGolem
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 11:15 |
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Did it come with ceramic carbon? Pro bably since it’s so new.
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Tripper
> nermal
08/16/2019 at 11:21 |
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Southeastern PA. Rust and salt city.
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Tripper
> ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com
08/16/2019 at 11:22 |
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That’s all I’m looking to get is a little feel. Feels like stepping on a bag of mashed potatoes now.
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Tripper
> CalzoneGolem
08/16/2019 at 11:23 |
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I dont think so, but maybe
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Long_Voyager, Now With More Caravanny Goodness
> Tripper
08/16/2019 at 12:13 |
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No problem, RA is always your friend.
I had the towing version of this setup on our truck and I loved them. They were still around 70% pad life when I sold the truck and that was after 30k miles of hard use/towing.
I have a similar setup on my van on the front as well. They’ve been on 50k now and still have a lot of pad left.
functionoverfashion
> Tripper
08/19/2019 at 14:38 |
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36k seems like... not a lot of miles. But my wife puts a zillion highway miles on her cars, so it’s not a fair comparison. Her Mini is around 30,000 miles and the brakes look... hardly used at all. She went 140,000 on the original brakes in her ‘05 Volvo S40 and they felt totally fine, though they were about due for replacement as the rotors had a decent lip. But no noises or strange feel to them at all. We replaced two wheel bearings in that car before we did any brakes.
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Tripper
> functionoverfashion
08/19/2019 at 15:01 |
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I measured, plenty of life left, haha. I was just itching to do something. I got my spacers for the Alltrack, and remembered that I need to fix the speedo in the 02.